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her to my show in anchorage. that's how studied her staff, whoever writes her stuff for her. they didn't even wiki me. >> your show, kathy griffin wants a tony. tickets on sale at a variety of venues, including on kathygriffin.com. thanks for joining us. you can have the last word at our blog, follow my tweets at lawrence. rachel has more from the news, breaking news from wisconsin with her special guest tonight, michael moore. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, lawrence. thanks very much. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. today was already an incredibly crowded day of news. as lawrence mentioned, we have filmmaker michael moore scheduled to be with us tonight. we need to begin with breaking news from madison, wisconsin, which of course has been the center of american news for the past three weeks at least. tonight, the republicans in
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wisconsin state senate appear to have invented a new nuclear option for passing legislation with no notice, and no quorum, and no debate. they invented that new nuclear option today, and then they detonated it today. after republican governor scott walker admitted yesterday that he would negotiate with democrats on his union-stripping bill, after a republican source tells nbc news that the governor said to republicans in the legislature today he was willing to compromise on union stripping, after public support for the governor and union-stripping measure started low and then cratered from there, after weeks and weeks of large demonstrations in wisconsin against the governor and the republican plan, including some very large demonstrations, and the republican response to that of locking down the state capitol, after all of that, republicans in wisconsin state senate tonight tried to pull a rabbit out of a hat. the way democrats stopped the bill, remember, they left the
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state. they denied the republicans the quorum needed to convene to pass the union-stripping bill. wisconsin rules are no bill with fiscal implications can be considered without a certain number of senators present. republicans needed at least one democrat to show up to the senate in order to meet that numerical threshold. democrats fled the state so the quorum could not be reached, so the bill could not be voted on. then tonight with no warning, republicans announced that they took everything budget-related out of what they were calling the budget bill, leaving only the union-stripping provisions. republicans, of course, had insisted that union-stripping was a fiscal issue, but tonight in order to try to pull this rabbit out of a hat, they decided it wasn't a fiscal issue any more, and therefore they no longer needed that pesky quorum, and with no warning, convened a conference committee, democrats say in violation of the state's open meeting law. the last-minute conference
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committee passed that union-stripping bill. here is what this looked like. this is absolutely nuts. watch this. >> i have consulted with the legislative counsel, the legislative reference bureau, and the legislative fiscal bureau and have been advised that this proposal would not trigger the special quorum requirement in article 8, section 8 of the wisconsin constitution. at this time, i would move to adopt -- excuse me, mr. chairman. excuse me, mr. chairman i have a question about open meetings rule being violated. we were not given notice. >> i have a letter requiring 24 hour notice. >> discussion. let me recognize you. discussion. go ahead. >> thank you very much. first of all, mr. chairman, most importantly before we even get started, obviously i wanted to
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have a summary from our director lane, so i understand what's in your -- >> the same bill you debated for 60 hours. >> there's nothing different? >> no, they just removed items from it. >> what? >> removed items. nothing new. >> we can't get a description of what's removed? >> there's nothing new. >> you said things were removed, mr. chairman. i want to know what's removed. seems to me that the community should know what we are voting on. i don't know what was removed. i need to know that. i want a description from director lane. secondly, i have a couple of motions i would like to make as amendments. >> no motions. >> conference committees do have an opportunity for people to amend a bill. >> no, there's no options. >> i want to be able to present those. before we get into that, i want to say this is a violation of open meetings law. it is required, i have a memo here from our current attorney general, not a past one, a current one. august of 2010.
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the wisconsin court decision will allow meetings unless you have good cause to provide less than 24 hours notice of a meeting. the provision like all other provisions of open meetings laws must be construed in favor of providing the public with the full information -- >> representative barca -- >> no. no. listen, if there's any doubt as to whether good cause exists, the governmental body should provide 24 hours notice. this is clearly a violation of open meetings law. if you can shut your people down, it is improper to move forward while this is a violation of open meetings law. do not allow amendment, and that is wrong. mr. chairman, this is a violation of law! this is not just a rule, it is the law. >> adjourned. >> mr. chairman, this is a violation of the open meetings law. requires 24 hours notice.
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[ inaudible ] >> including that weird music thing at the end, that's how we all saw it. that was the wisconsin legislative coverage service, wrapping up with that tidy little music after the democratic assembly leader is shouting that the meeting that he is in is illegal, is a violation of the state's open meeting law. he's saying that as they decide that they're just going to call the roll over him. he is saying this is illegal, this is illegal, this is illegal. they are saying aye, aye, aye, and we are adjourned. then the music. after that bizarre scenario in that hastily convened meeting,
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they ran to the senate, with no quorum, passed it and adjourned. if republicans have this option of doing it this way, did they not have this option of doing it this way all along? why didn't they use it before? it is not like republicans were debating this on the merits all along. remember, they tried to arrest the senate democrats. they took over the senate democrats' offices. they were threatening to send private security, essentially bounty hunters after the democrats. they were taking their parking places. all of this time they could have done this and decided to do it tonight? where did they find this rabbit and what hat did they pull it out of? they say the republican's actions were as illegal as they were surprising, that the republicans never used this option for getting their way before, because this option does
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not legally exist. democrats say they are contacting the state's attorney general to try to block tonight's actions. shouts of protesters could be heard outside that dark conference room as they suddenly convened, suddenly voted and suddenly adjourned. after republicans lost public debate on this issue, after democrats in the anti-union stripping protesters won the public debate on this issue, after wisconsin took to the streets and democratic senators held out and won on the substance, and that most important result was nailed down and finalized, republicans tried to find a desperate way to ram it through anyway, after they lost the argument. protesters are reassembling at the capitol now. jon erpenbach, one of the 14 senators who remain outside the state. senator erpenbach, what is your understanding of what the republicans just did tonight? >> well, obviously what they did is they certainly violated open meeting laws in the state of
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wisconsin, and what represent barca had in his hands was something from a republican attorney general in the state of wisconsin, so odds are this probably will end up in court. but in the meantime, what they did is they took out everything they said was nonfiscal, even though they've been saying the collective bargaining language was fiscal all along, which is why they didn't do this early on, and they passed it in the course of a few seconds on the senate floor. so you're talking about five or six decades' worth of workers rights stomped out in a matter of minutes in the state senate. obviously we are very upset about this. we actually suggested they break up the nonfiscal stuff, which is what we suggested in the beginning, they said they couldn't with collective bargaining because it was fiscal. apparently now it is not fiscal. so i got to believe they have a huge explanation when it comes to everybody in the state of wisconsin. obviously they've been lying about this all along, and they need to be up front and honest as to why they did what they did. rachel, never once did they say
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it was about union-busting. never once said it was going after collective bargaining. they said it was about balancing the budget. well, guess what? they still don't have a balanced budget, but they did it anyway. so their motives are real clear. >> in terms of what you just said about this ending up in court, as you and other democrats seek potential legal redress here, is your intent to roll this back, stop it, repeal what they have done, nullify it? what do you think you can do legally from this point forward? >> well, i obviously think attorneys are going to be looking at it right now, and i got to believe if we don't, somebody certainly will take the legislature to court over this if at all possible. again, we have open meeting laws in the state of wisconsin for a reason, reason being we post it so people can know exactly what's going on. you heard what represent barca had said at the table. he hadn't seen it, hasn't been briefed. all he could say is you debated it, we have taken stuff out. well, what stuff have you taken out and why? obviously the questions weren't
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answered. senator fitzgerald didn't want to answer any questions. he called the roll and walked out of the room. couple minutes later, the bill is in the state assembly, they will be dealing with it tomorrow. obviously lawyers will look at this. my guess is it will end up in court. >> in terms of this as a strategic maneuver, i describe it as a rabbit being pulled out of a hat, previously unidentified rabbit, previously unidentified hat. do you feel they could have done this all along and knew they could, and just decided to spring it on you, or is what you're saying is that this was an illegal action, they know it won't stand and that's why they didn't do it until they were this desperate? >> well, it was illegal on the open meetings front, no doubt about that. and yes, they pulled a rabbit out. i am not certain they pulled it out of their hat, let me be clear on that. they could have done this from the very beginning. it was something we suggested. we said this was not a fiscal item. they insisted up and down the state of wisconsin that it is, in fact, a fiscal item, and then obviously they changed their
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mind at the last second, which obviously gets that whole trust issue between governor walker and the senate republicans. this might have been a legal way to go about it, had they gone for the proper channels when it comes to open meetings, and they didn't do that. >> in terms of what happens next, i know there was some consternation that once it became clear the republicans were going to do this tonight, some democrat senators may race back to try to stop this in some way. will the democratic senators now still stay out of the state? is there any consensus among you as to what the appropriate steps are? >> good question. as it stands now, we are staying out of the state for one simple reason. we don't trust the senate republicans. we tried to negotiate, tried to reach out every single day, we don't trust governor walker. tried to negotiate with him and reach out every single day. obviously what the senate republicans did tonight, we are all ashamed they did it, the entire state of wisconsin are
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ashamed of those actions. we are not going back because there are games they can play. if we go back before this passes assembly or becomes state law, they could call us into special session which we are in now. they could call the house, lock us in, they could bring up the whole thing again, reinsert the language all over and make us vote immediately. so again, it comes to an issue of trust with the senate republicans. so no, we are going to sit tight here for awhile. >> are all 14 sitting tight. is there unanimity on this? >> yes, there is. >> thanks for helping us sort this out. i imagine we will be in touch in coming days. >> all right. we'll talk to you soon. thank you. >> this is obviously a huge night in the course of this wisconsin story. and the wisconsin story was and is and will continue to be a major national story with implications for every state in the union. you want some evidence? karl rove, remember him? karl rove and his undisclosed billionaire club funders have entered the fray on the
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republican ticket unexpectedly suspended its campaign, remember? and we as a nation collectively stopped talking about politics, and why is that? it is because the big wall street firm lehman brothers went like this. september of 2008. lehman brothers collapsed. then the proverbial dominos started to fall. merrill lynch came face to face with extinction before it was saved at the last minute by bank of america. insurance giant aig continued its teeter on the brink of bankruptcy. the stock market took a nose dive. plummeting like a rock falling through water, at one point losing 777 points in one day, biggest points loss ever. wall street melted down because a relatively small number of people who controlled a great deal of money did very irresponsible things with that money, irresponsible things they were allowed to get away with because so many of the rules had been taken away, rules that were originally put in place to
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prevent wall street from creating a massive, public risk in order to chase private gain. those rules were taken away. lehman brothers disappeared, bear stearns disappeared, merrill lynch disappeared, investment banking virtually disappeared. president bush stepped in to take dramatic action to save the economy. this is not a partisan thing, it was done under george w. bush, but john mccain and barack obama both supported it. sarah palin even supported it. john boehner not only supported it, he cried on the floor of the house of representatives as he implored his fellow republicans to support it. i am not making fun of him, it is true, he cried. the government acted to save what could be saved of wall street, but the damage was really done to the national economy. that financial catastrophe caused the great recession. lehman brothers collapsed september of 2008. look what happened to jobs thereafter. i believe that the government stepping in to stop the
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catastrophe probably prevented this becoming a great depression, rather than great recession. that is what i believe. i recognize it is totally arguable and i am happy to have that argument. but regardless, we did get a great recession out of the financial system collapse. unemployment numbers became unsustainably horrific. even as jobs started to come back, the economy returned to positive growth, unemployment rate is still atrocious. the great recession and high unemployment meant not just human misery, but continued bad economic consequences, people not making an income are not paying income taxes, people not buying things aren't paying sales taxes. there are strains providing services to a population more needy because inch worse economic shape. state budget deficits around the country are bad and they are bad because of the great recession, which remember, started at a specific time, the fall of 2008, and it started for a specific reason. it happened because of wall
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street. but you know, for all of the pain that wall street caused with the financial catastrophe, for all of the pain we are in because of what they did, wall street now is doing awesome. they not only did not go away, they are not only back, but they are back and bigger than ever. i mean, a, nobody went to jail, but b, they are getting paid. supposed to be my confetti gun. very sad. well, that's it. sort of what it has been like in terms of payoff. yeah. that's it. last year wall street pay including bonuses hit a record high. the record they broke in 2010 was the record they set the year before in 2009. the whole idea of reregulating wall street, reestablishing old rules so they can't do this again, that is still a great idea.
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but what passed ultimately, got dramatically watered down thanks to senators like scott brown of massachusetts. during a three-week period wall street reform was debated in congress last year, scott brown took in $140,000 from banks and investment firms. he then made good on their investment by dismantling key provisions in the wall street reform bill. forbes magazine took to calling him the scott brown speed bump. but what ultimately survived in that wall street reform bill, don't let the catastrophe happen again, implementation of new regulations has been in large part defunded in the house republicans' budget bill. so yeah, wall street totally destroyed our world. we are all still living in the rubble. but their world has never been better or richer. if you are a wall street titan of finances guy, it has been an awesome few years for you since you almost destroyed the world. if you are not a wall street titan of finances guy, though, it has been a tough few years
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and it is about to get tougher. there is not much american middle class left in economic terms. over the last decade or so, the top 1% have seen their income gains skyrocket while everybody else's remained flat. we had economic growth, there has been money made, just not made by anybody that's not already rich. and the institution that more than other made it possible for america to have a middle class in the first place, that institution is under attack like it hasn't been since the days of armed pinkerton's shooting at strikers. appeared that 17 states have in some form or another legislative attacks on union rights, from idaho where they voted to strip union rights from public school teachers to michigan where the state senate passed a bill that would let the governor declare a financial emergency anywhere in the state and let his administration appoint someone to unilaterally nullify unions and nullify contracts, nullify
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an entire government if they want. in idaho, hawaii, on and on, republicans are pushing union stripping bills. why are they doing this all at once? did they plan this? coordinate this at one of those republican conferences? they're pushing to strip union rights, not just to get concessions on pay and benefits, union rights themselves don't have any fiscal impact at all. but yet they're all pursuing it. all at once. in all these different parts of the country. is it just a coincidence they all have the same bad fiscally irrelevant idea at the same time, that they all wanted to get away with under the guise of budget crisis? what we do know, the great surprise story of 2011, the republicans have gotten an incredible pushback. in wisconsin, it is so sustained and strong, the union-stripping fight stretched out to 23 days. each day continues to be more dramatic than the last. in michigan, protests against
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union-stripping town government nullification bill provoked what were reportedly the largest protests ever at the michigan state capitol. in indiana, potentially 20,000 people are expected to protest union-stripping there tomorrow. it's indiana democrats in the state assembly who are out of state in exile there. indianapolis star columnist traveled to a roadside hotel where the indiana assembly democrats set up temporary shop. the way the democrats described the fight is a real window into how important the pushback is for the country, how important it is for the future of the democratic party. mary ann sullivan of indianapolis saying the whole experience, i don't know how to explain it, it has been very powerful. representative scott pilaff of michigan city saying they tapped into something that brings us together. this is about our core principals. bill crawford of indianapolis saying it has the appearance of a movement as opposed to a typical political battle. it is a movement. that's why none of these
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protests are one-day things. that's why national democrats are going to have to get their head around this sooner rather than later. the dragon that's been awakened here is the democrat party's base, which the democratic party has been ignoring for a really long time. but the whole reason the democratic party exists is because it is supposed to stand up for people that have to work for a living. when people that have to work for a living are directly attacked like they are being attacked now with these republican measures in all of these states around the country, people knew they were down, but now they are kicked when down. when people get attacked like that, they fight back, and they are expecting the democratic party to stand with them. they are demanding that democrats stand with them. they are cheering democrats on as heros when democrats do rise to the occasion. see wisconsin. the democratic party has a base and a reason for being, and that's why what has happened in madison has been so riveting. and indianapolis, and boise, and lansing, and columbus, and everywhere else this is
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happening. but there is another side to this fight. republicans didn't run saying they were going to do this stuff. remember when scott walker in wisconsin kept trying to convince everybody he campaigned on stripping collective bargaining rights and nobody should be surprised about it? he in fact never said that in his campaign, that he was going to strip union rights in the way he has. there is a reason he didn't say it in the campaign. it is a tremendously unpopular idea. bloomberg poll shows massive support for public employees and for their right to collectively bargain. 72% of americans have a favorable opinion of public employees. 72%. 64% think they should have the right to collectively bargain for their wages. this is what naomi klein, author of "the shock doctrine" talked about. they take as many resources and control away from people that work for a living and give it to businesses. this is not popular stuff. these are not popular proposals. for each of the following types of work, for each of the
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following types of work, please tell me if you think a union is or is not appropriate. firefighters? yes. 72%. police officers? yes. 70%. nurses? yes, 62%. prison guards? yes, 63%. teachers? teachers? yeah, 66%. that's what americans think about this fight. taking away unions from these people by force is a very, very unpopular idea. so how do you get away with it anyway if it's so unpopular? frankly, you need some political cover. will somebody call the billionaires? 70% may be against you, but you only need a couple of billionaires to balance it out in terms of pr. karl rove runs a group called american crossroads. other than becoming a fox news celebrity, this is what he's done with his life since the white house. most of the funding he gets for crossroads comes from a very small group of billionaires. his group also has a group
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called crossroads gps which he was proud to announce does not have to tell you who gives them money. i have a guess. it is the undisclosed donor part of that club which is spending a lot of money to run ads to try to provide some political cover for those republicans in wisconsin, some political cover for the really unpopular thing that all of these republicans are doing. the ad says ominously that unionized government workers get paid 42% more than nonunionized workers. that appears to be totally made up, but has advantage of making it sound like the real people sucking us dry are the teachers. snowplow driving, he is drinking your milk shake. they spent a lot of money focus grouping the slogans about but there is one awkward thing. the big money shot in this ad, forgive me, that's what it is, what they freeze on, the part
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no matter what you are hearing, what's going on in the states now is not about the budget. wisconsin, ohio, everywhere. it is not about the budget. here is an example of how you know that. the bill that passed today in michigan would let the governor there declare a fiscal emergency in any town, let the governor install an emergency manager who could dissolve unions, contracts, dissolve the whole town and government and elected officials. here is the giant burning sign in the sky that that radical proposal is not about the budget. democrats in michigan proposed amending that bill, amending that we nullify your town bill. they proposed amending it so the emergency manager person that gets to take over the town couldn't be paid more than the governor. the amendment said this
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i mentioned at the top of the show that given tonight's events, dramatic events, tonight's republican desperation move in wisconsin to pass this union-stripping bill, despite not having a quorum, i mentioned at the top of the show that protesters in wisconsin were reconvening at the state capitol. we have just gotten in footage of what is happening at the state capitol now. let's roll what we have. [ inaudible yelling ] >> let us in!
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let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! let us in! >> let me in! >> we just got that footage in from the state capitol in madison, wisconsin. joining us now, award winning filmmaker michael moore fresh off his own barn burning speech in madison this weekend. michael, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, and i just want to say anybody who lives within driving distance of madison, wisconsin, right now should make their way to the capitol. i would love to see thousands of people there right now, in that
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capitol building, in the rotunda, on the lawn, whatever it takes. really, this is really -- this is war. this is a class war that's been leveled against the working people of this country and at some point, people are going to have to stand up and say nonviolently this is enough. we are not taking it any more. and i think these actions that happened today in wisconsin and in michigan where the governor, and the senate today in michigan, the house passed a version of this bill, they're going to get together now hopefully that's their plan, and the governor will sign it, and they are stripping the democratic rights of the people of the state of michigan. they literally, at this point, the governor can dissolve a town. the elected officials of the town. a month ago if you or i on this show, rachel and i think the government should have the ability to remove the elected mayor and city council of any town it feels like and put in one guy in charge of the town,
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what do you think would have been written or said about us. the fact they think they can get away with this, you said it all in the last segment. what happened three years ago in 2008, what happened is they realized that they could get away with murder. they realize they could loot the treasury, play with people's pension funds on wall street, they could destroy the economy, they could essentially do what they could to eliminate the middle class and there would be no response from the people, there would be no revolt. people would take it and people took it. people have been taking it now for about 30 years, ever since reagan fired the air traffic controllers and we should have stopped them then. shouldn't have crossed the picket lines, people shouldn't have flown the planes. once they saw they could get away with that 30 years ago, bit by bit by bit, up until 2008, that was the big enchilada for them, they got away with it, none of them are in jail for
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this theft, and so it comes now 2011. hey, why don't we just vote to take away people's democratic rights. we can eliminate the mayor of a town. we can just dissolve a school district. in wisconsin, we could just take away the right of working people to sit down and talk across the table about things that are a concern. they think they can get away with this. they honestly think they can get away with it. i hope tomorrow people in michigan or in lansing rotunda packing the place on friday afternoon, the students, i just read this on the internet, students in madison, wisconsin, are calling for it not only in wisconsin but nationwide student walkout of high schoolers. last hour of school is 2:00 in the afternoon. wherever 2:00 is in your time zone, you walk out of that school, call the local media, blog about it, take pictures, get everybody organized. there's going to be a massive student walkout friday afternoon. tomorrow in indiana, 20,000
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people you mentioned there, hopefully more at the state capitol. this has to continue day after day after day, and these governors are going to have to step down. they are going to be recalled. they are going to be impeached. they have broken the law. there is no way they can get away with this. >> how does it make a difference to protest, that students walkout in madison, how does it translate into making a difference? >> it already -- look at the change in the polls you cited in one month. public opinion of the governor of wisconsin, of the legislature, of support for unions and their rights, everything has turned in favor of the working people, and it's been because the people in madison and the people of wisconsin have stood up, have been there every single day, helped to turn people around on this. the american people have woken up. i think this is, i mean, i said in the speech there on saturday, 400 americans now have amassed more wealth than 50% of the american households combined.
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400 people have more than 155 million people, combined! i'm sorry, that's not the country i live in. i refuse to participate in this. i am going to do my part, whatever i can, to get the word out and get people involved. these protests do matter. in fact, this is one of the few times i can say that in my lifetime, actually going to a demonstration really has made a difference, and people have got to come out of their homes tomorrow in lansing, in madison, in indianapolis, and across the weekend, they are planning a huge rally in madison saturday afternoon. and this is going to continue on in the other states. >> i have a theory why protests seem to be more effective on this issue than any other issue we observed or participated in demonstrations in the past 20 years, and i think that is because of the political dribbleness of what they are trying to do.
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it is important to remember they didn't campaign on stripping collective bargaining rights. they may have talked about downsizing government and other things, but they didn't campaign on dissolving towns by fiat. the reason they didn't is because they are unpopular. they are justifying them saying this is a crisis. seems to me it collapses very easily. >> and you and others provided this information. we are not broke. wisconsin isn't broke. america isn't broke. we have trillions of dollars in the economy. they took that money out of circulation, took that money and it is not there any more, and they are not being taxed appropriately. that's why that money isn't there. there's a revenue problem, that's all it is. it is not because there's debt. there's always debt. if you make car payments, you're in debt. that doesn't mean you're broke. wisconsin isn't broke.
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america isn't broke. the money is just not in the people's hands, it is in the hands of the rich, the rich who committed these crimes back on wall street and got away with it. you know, i just have these -- i brought these, rachel, this is my prop for the night. >> can we have a wide shot of what mr. moore brought with him. >> i brought these with me. anybody that works on wall street, anybody that works for one of the banks, take a look at this, okay? because this is what's coming. this is what's coming for you, because the people aren't going to take it any more. the people are going to demand justice. they are going to demand that your ass is in jail. you have taken the money, we want the money back. you have taken our jobs overseas, we want those jobs back. those are a national resource. those are not yours to do with as you please. they affect all of us as society. we have a right to those jobs, we have a right to that money that used to belong to the people of this country. a million people evicted from
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for three weeks you have
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stood in the cold. >> yes. >> woo! >> skipped out of town to illinois. whatever it took, you've done it! and one thing is certain. madison is only the beginning! you have aroused a sleeping giant known as the working people of the united states of america! your message, your message has inspired people in all 50 states. and that message is, we have had it! we have had it! >> we have had it! we have had it! >> michael moore speaking on the order of 50,000 people in madison this weekend. joining us again now in the studio is award-winning
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filmmaker michael moore. when you were saying we have had it, are you talking about wisconsin or the country? >> oh, the country. i think this madison movement has turned into a mad nation. i mean, i think that this is -- i mean, there's demonstrations in boise, places all over the country where this is going on. and i'm very heartened by this. the people i saw there at this demonstration were not the typical people you see at demonstrations. a lot of people mentioned to me this is the first time they'd ever been to a rally. they've really overplayed their hand here. and, you know, the irony of all these things that happened today, on this day, on march 9th, 78 years ago today, franklin roosevelt began the new deal. this is the first day of congress in 1933, and they began the first, debating the first bill that -- this is known as the birthday today of the new
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deal. the fact that this is going on at this time, and i noticed, too, when you showed your map of the states, it's mostly all northern states. the republican party especially as controlled pretty much the south for the better part of the last few decades. and now they're trying to take that philosophy and claim these northern states. and they will win. they will win if people don't stand up. the good news is that they are really just tools, the republicans, for this upper 1% that has all the loot. the good news is that there's a lot more of us than there are of them. >> yes. >> so thank god for this great country and this democracy. and our constitution that still says it's one person, one vote. and there will always be more of us than them. but if we don't act, they will take it away. they will absolutely take it away. you know, i just -- right now, i'm betting on the people. everything i've seen and what i think we're going to see over the next few days, right now, i just heard during the -- during the commercial break, they're in
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the streets in madison, wisconsin, right now. they're in the streets. they will be in the streets of lansing tomorrow. they will be in the streets of indianapolis. the students will be in the streets on friday afternoon across the country. this thing is -- you couldn't organize something like this. the rally i went to, and i just kind of showed up. i wrote that speech in the middle of the night friday night, and i thought, i don't have anything to do today. i just flew to madison -- >> they'll have me. >> i'll just hold a sign. i'll just see if they'll let me read this speech. and this rally, they hadn't planned a big rally that day. a guy on facebook, 36 hours earlier, had put it out there, hey, let's get together anyway because we're not having a big rally until the following saturday. and almost 50,000 people showed up out of nowhere. not knowing even that i was going to be there. and it has this whole sort of, can i say egyptian feel to it? it's just so grass roots. it's so from -- and it's scaring
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a lot of people in power. and it should. >> michael moore, award-winning filmmaker, and a man who has been generous with his time for this show. thank you for being here. >> no, thank you. keep putting that information out there. it's so vital. you hear things on this show that you just don't hear elsewhere. thank god for ed schultz, for being out there from the very beginning on there. >> ed schultz was among the first people in the news media to identify the story in wisconsin. he's covered the story like nobody else. he is must-watch television tonight. i think he's got a number of the democratic state senators on tonight. he's going to make news tonight in terms of their response. >> but does he have props like you and i? >> like michael moore's handcuffs? >> and your confetti gun. >> i've got to go to this. >> ed's just coming after them all by his lonesome. >> we'll be right back.
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we don't just make luxury cars, we make cadillacs the biggest news in the country in wisconsin. the republicans appear to have invented a new nuclear option to pass a stand-alone measure that strips the public employees of most of their collective bargaining rights. expect it to propel forward quickly tomorrow. the stand-alone bill stripped out of the budget was passed by the state senate without a quorum. the measure now moves theoretically to the state assembly where it could be voted on in the next 24 hours. tonight's actions in wisconsin they say are illegal. they are moving to stop what happened. reporting in social media accounts from wisconsin, in the immediate aftermath of the senate vote tonight, protesters already assembling at the capitol.